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		<title>By: 4 Childhood Lessons &#38; Climate Change &#171; lightngreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>4 Childhood Lessons &#38; Climate Change &#171; lightngreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted on EcoWorldly on December 6, 2009 (hence, the Copenhagen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thank You, &#38; Copenhagen Conclusions : EcoWorldly</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57819</link>
		<dc:creator>Thank You, &#38; Copenhagen Conclusions : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Related Stories: 1) Copenhagen: Not Enough…Tuvalu Gone, But Still Hope for NYC 2) Five Indicators of Success at Copenhagen 3) 4 Childhood Lessons &amp; Climate Change [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Related Stories: 1) Copenhagen: Not Enough…Tuvalu Gone, But Still Hope for NYC 2) Five Indicators of Success at Copenhagen 3) 4 Childhood Lessons &amp; Climate Change [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57818</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Shahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or is Hi your first name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or is Hi your first name?</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Shahan</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57815</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Shahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hi: the Earth isn&#039;t actually round, but we say &#039;the Earth is round&#039; -- don&#039;t get caught up in semantics.

climate change is happening. (implied in a term used by people all over the world now -- extreme and catastrophic climate change caused by humans is happening).

don&#039;t get caught up in semantics. there are bigger issues in the world, Mr. or Mrs. Hi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hi: the Earth isn&#8217;t actually round, but we say &#8216;the Earth is round&#8217; &#8212; don&#8217;t get caught up in semantics.</p>
<p>climate change is happening. (implied in a term used by people all over the world now &#8212; extreme and catastrophic climate change caused by humans is happening).</p>
<p>don&#8217;t get caught up in semantics. there are bigger issues in the world, Mr. or Mrs. Hi.</p>
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		<title>By: Hi</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57825</link>
		<dc:creator>Hi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Global warming&quot; is often implied to mean human induced global warming. But global warming is just the earth getting warmer. Misleading.

&quot;Climate change&quot; is often implied to mean humans are changing the climate in a bad way. But climate change is just the climate changing like it always has. Misleading.

A more precise term would be &quot;human accelerated global warming&quot; - human influence is adding to an existing process. Instead, &quot;human induced global warming&quot; is often used to imply the cause is the sole responsibility of people. Misleading.

When you attempt to frame the debate by using misleading terms, expect people to question your credibility even if your underlying arguments are 100% correct.

But if your arguments are 100% correct, then you wouldn&#039;t need to use terms that mislead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Global warming&#8221; is often implied to mean human induced global warming. But global warming is just the earth getting warmer. Misleading.</p>
<p>&#8220;Climate change&#8221; is often implied to mean humans are changing the climate in a bad way. But climate change is just the climate changing like it always has. Misleading.</p>
<p>A more precise term would be &#8220;human accelerated global warming&#8221; &#8211; human influence is adding to an existing process. Instead, &#8220;human induced global warming&#8221; is often used to imply the cause is the sole responsibility of people. Misleading.</p>
<p>When you attempt to frame the debate by using misleading terms, expect people to question your credibility even if your underlying arguments are 100% correct.</p>
<p>But if your arguments are 100% correct, then you wouldn&#8217;t need to use terms that mislead.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57822</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &#039;Climate Gate&quot;, this is a joke -- that this has people saying such things as Mr. Taff above or not trusting climate scientists shows you what a substance-less, criminal act proving nothing can do to counter the findings of numerous leading world scientists from different countries and agencies using open data and methods.

The science behind this is about as universally accepted in the scientific community as anything in the world -- not because other scientists are unaware of it but because the science is clear. Scientists from NASA to NOAA to the British Antarctic Survey have come to essentially the same findings repeatedly and independently using different data (the only thing that has been changing much is how rapidly the climate seems to be changing -- keeps speeding up, it seems). That a Thief or Hacker who cherry-picked quotes from someone&#039;s emails over the course of many years (and still couldn&#039;t squeeze much controversy out of them) makes you question the science of climate change is actually very sad. That is how backwards things are.

@Hi: yes, &quot;climate change&quot; has been happening all throughout history, but at a much different pace and, thus, resulting in much different consequences than the human-induced climate change that is happening now. i would prefer if they had been more accurate in coining this term, calling it &#039;climate change catastrophe&#039; or &#039;rapid climate change&#039; or something else more accurate. but it is a term representing a phenomenon that has not been happening all through history -- unprecedented greenhouse gas emissions and catastrophic climate change.

a little further reading on this subject:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekinreview/06zeller.html?_r=2&amp;pagewanted=1&amp;hp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/02/copenhagen-climate-change-james-hansen

This is about the email controversy -- representing both sides a little: http://www.physorg.com/news179052414.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8216;Climate Gate&#8221;, this is a joke &#8212; that this has people saying such things as Mr. Taff above or not trusting climate scientists shows you what a substance-less, criminal act proving nothing can do to counter the findings of numerous leading world scientists from different countries and agencies using open data and methods.</p>
<p>The science behind this is about as universally accepted in the scientific community as anything in the world &#8212; not because other scientists are unaware of it but because the science is clear. Scientists from NASA to NOAA to the British Antarctic Survey have come to essentially the same findings repeatedly and independently using different data (the only thing that has been changing much is how rapidly the climate seems to be changing &#8212; keeps speeding up, it seems). That a Thief or Hacker who cherry-picked quotes from someone&#8217;s emails over the course of many years (and still couldn&#8217;t squeeze much controversy out of them) makes you question the science of climate change is actually very sad. That is how backwards things are.</p>
<p>@Hi: yes, &#8220;climate change&#8221; has been happening all throughout history, but at a much different pace and, thus, resulting in much different consequences than the human-induced climate change that is happening now. i would prefer if they had been more accurate in coining this term, calling it &#8216;climate change catastrophe&#8217; or &#8216;rapid climate change&#8217; or something else more accurate. but it is a term representing a phenomenon that has not been happening all through history &#8212; unprecedented greenhouse gas emissions and catastrophic climate change.</p>
<p>a little further reading on this subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekinreview/06zeller.html?_r=2&#038;pagewanted=1&#038;hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekinreview/06zeller.html?_r=2&#038;pagewanted=1&#038;hp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/02/copenhagen-climate-change-james-hansen" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/02/copenhagen-climate-change-james-hansen</a></p>
<p>This is about the email controversy &#8212; representing both sides a little: <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news179052414.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news179052414.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like your posting has caused a bit of a rumpus, but I do agree with your point about solar panels.  Installing them is quite simple and will prove cost-effective in the long-run as oil and gas prices continue to rise sharply.  An efficient solar thermal system such as SolarUK&#039;s LaZer2 will provide virtually all a homeowner&#039;s hot water needs during the warmer months of the year.  As for the winter, it&#039;ll depend on where you live, but as it works in cloudy as well as sunny conditions it&#039;ll still make a substantial contribution during a British winter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like your posting has caused a bit of a rumpus, but I do agree with your point about solar panels.  Installing them is quite simple and will prove cost-effective in the long-run as oil and gas prices continue to rise sharply.  An efficient solar thermal system such as SolarUK&#8217;s LaZer2 will provide virtually all a homeowner&#8217;s hot water needs during the warmer months of the year.  As for the winter, it&#8217;ll depend on where you live, but as it works in cloudy as well as sunny conditions it&#8217;ll still make a substantial contribution during a British winter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/12/06/4-childhood-lessons-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-57820</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Treating people like children is not a good way to convince them of everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treating people like children is not a good way to convince them of everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Hi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The climate has always changed and will continue to do so. When I hear people saying we must &quot;stop climate change&quot;, I question their intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The climate has always changed and will continue to do so. When I hear people saying we must &#8220;stop climate change&#8221;, I question their intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: adood</title>
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		<dc:creator>adood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Translation:

1. Give us your hard earned money, Americans!
2. You&#039;re being so mean. We just want some of your money!
3. You&#039;re a bad person. But if you give us some money, you&#039;ll feel better!
4. C&#039;mon, you don&#039;t really need that money! What&#039;s wrong with you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translation:</p>
<p>1. Give us your hard earned money, Americans!<br />
2. You&#8217;re being so mean. We just want some of your money!<br />
3. You&#8217;re a bad person. But if you give us some money, you&#8217;ll feel better!<br />
4. C&#8217;mon, you don&#8217;t really need that money! What&#8217;s wrong with you?</p>
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