Comments on: The ‘Us’ Bus of Climate Change: From Bonn to Copenhagen http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/06/08/the-us-bus-of-climate-change-from-bonn-to-copenhagen/ News & commentary on sustainability, activism, urban planning, politics, and our world. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:32:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The ‘Us’ Bus of Climate Change: From Bonn to Copenhagen | The Global Warming Statistics http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/06/08/the-us-bus-of-climate-change-from-bonn-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-60662 The ‘Us’ Bus of Climate Change: From Bonn to Copenhagen | The Global Warming Statistics Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:40:52 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=3061#comment-60662 [...] Jun 7th, 2009 Originally Posted by Dr Vandana Prakash This post contains additional media. Click here to view the full post.  [...] [...] Jun 7th, 2009 Originally Posted by Dr Vandana Prakash This post contains additional media. Click here to view the full post.  [...]

]]> By: Daniel http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/06/08/the-us-bus-of-climate-change-from-bonn-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-60660 Daniel Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:04:16 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=3061#comment-60660 But people are already being effected by climate change. Newsy's recent article on global warming makes that fairly evident whether or not you think humans have anything to do with it. My question is whether anyone thinks there's something we can do to reverse what has already happened. I'm not a scientist, but to me that sounds like terraforming: a massive effort even for an entire planet's worth of scientists working together. But people are already being effected by climate change. Newsy’s recent article on global warming makes that fairly evident whether or not you think humans have anything to do with it. My question is whether anyone thinks there’s something we can do to reverse what has already happened. I’m not a scientist, but to me that sounds like terraforming: a massive effort even for an entire planet’s worth of scientists working together.

]]> By: Dan Pangburn http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/06/08/the-us-bus-of-climate-change-from-bonn-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-60661 Dan Pangburn Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:16:32 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=3061#comment-60661 Any action that is taken to reduce human produced carbon dioxide to reduce global warming or influence climate is a mistake that puts freedom and prosperity at risk. The Solar Grand Maximum that went on for about 70 years appears to have ended. The 30 year or so Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) uptrend that combined with the Solar Grand Maximum to produce the late-20th-century temperature run up has started its 30 year downtrend. The PDO downtrend combined with the quiet sun is resulting in continued planet cooling. (The cooling will be slow because of the huge thermal capacitance of the oceans) The sun has not been this quiet this long since 1913. Sunspot changes appear to be a catalyst for cloud changes and therefore have much greater influence than total solar irradiance (TSI). Since 2000, atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased 18.4% of the increase from 1800 to 2000. According to the average of the five reporting agencies, the trend of average global temperatures since 1998 shows no increase and from 2002 through 2008 the trend shows a DECREASE of 1.8°C/century. This separation (there have been many others) corroborates the lack of connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide increase and average global temperature. Many Climate Scientists are completely unaware of some relevant science and understand other relevant science poorly (it’s not in their curriculum). The missing science proves that added atmospheric carbon dioxide has no significant influence on average global temperature. See the pdfs linked from http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&linkbox=true for the proof, to identify the missing science and to see the cause of the temperature run-up in the late 20th century. It is significant that Climate Scientists use the word 'feedback' but apply it completely differently than had been successfully applied for decades by engineers. As the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesn’t it is becoming more and more apparent that many climate scientists have made an egregious mistake and a whole lot of people have been misled. Any action that is taken to reduce human produced carbon dioxide to reduce global warming or influence climate is a mistake that puts freedom and prosperity at risk.

The Solar Grand Maximum that went on for about 70 years appears to have ended. The 30 year or so Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) uptrend that combined with the Solar Grand Maximum to produce the late-20th-century temperature run up has started its 30 year downtrend. The PDO downtrend combined with the quiet sun is resulting in continued planet cooling. (The cooling will be slow because of the huge thermal capacitance of the oceans) The sun has not been this quiet this long since 1913. Sunspot changes appear to be a catalyst for cloud changes and therefore have much greater influence than total solar irradiance (TSI).

Since 2000, atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased 18.4% of the increase from 1800 to 2000. According to the average of the five reporting agencies, the trend of average global temperatures since 1998 shows no increase and from 2002 through 2008 the trend shows a DECREASE of 1.8°C/century. This separation (there have been many others) corroborates the lack of connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide increase and average global temperature.

Many Climate Scientists are completely unaware of some relevant science and understand other relevant science poorly (it’s not in their curriculum). The missing science proves that added atmospheric carbon dioxide has no significant influence on average global temperature. See the pdfs linked from http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&linkbox=true for the proof, to identify the missing science and to see the cause of the temperature run-up in the late 20th century. It is significant that Climate Scientists use the word ‘feedback’ but apply it completely differently than had been successfully applied for decades by engineers.

As the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continues to increase and the average global temperature doesn’t it is becoming more and more apparent that many climate scientists have made an egregious mistake and a whole lot of people have been misled.

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