Comments on: Human Sewage to Power Buses in Norway http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/ News & commentary on sustainability, activism, urban planning, politics, and our world. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:32:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Punky http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60928 Punky Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:49:07 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60928 The people of Norway and Oslo are creative and want to face the future with a very clear and beautiful way. Unfortunately North Americans (Americans and the Canadians) are a stupid bunch, or at least their politicians are. I am hoping that Obama is different. But none of them has the vision or foresight to creative a future. Biofuel is one of the ways to create a society with an infrastructure built on its own strength. It just makes more sense. The people of Norway and Oslo are creative and want to face the future with a very clear and beautiful way. Unfortunately North Americans (Americans and the Canadians) are a stupid bunch, or at least their politicians are. I am hoping that Obama is different. But none of them has the vision or foresight to creative a future. Biofuel is one of the ways to create a society with an infrastructure built on its own strength. It just makes more sense.

]]> By: Dwindle http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60927 Dwindle Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:36:18 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60927 Why are you all talking about "patents"? This is hundred year old technology, which could have been implemented at any time. All decaying bio matter produces flammable gasses, we have known this for centuries. The simple fact of the matter is it is very expensive to implement and maintain. Buying gas or diesel will always be more cost effective. Why are you all talking about “patents”? This is hundred year old technology, which could have been implemented at any time. All decaying bio matter produces flammable gasses, we have known this for centuries. The simple fact of the matter is it is very expensive to implement and maintain. Buying gas or diesel will always be more cost effective.

]]> By: Dwindle http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60926 Dwindle Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:33:15 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60926 How much schools could save on fuel? Lady, they spend $29,000 per student, per year for education. Grammar school costs more than most colleges. Do you think they even care what the fuel costs? Where are you seeing teachers losing their jobs? They are one of the few people getting even higher salaries and even higher raises and bonuses when no one else is. How much schools could save on fuel? Lady, they spend $29,000 per student, per year for education. Grammar school costs more than most colleges. Do you think they even care what the fuel costs? Where are you seeing teachers losing their jobs? They are one of the few people getting even higher salaries and even higher raises and bonuses when no one else is.

]]> By: Bryan Roberts http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60925 Bryan Roberts Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:23:16 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60925 This is something that we should be looking for for much of our waste treatment. As it stands now sewage treatment is an energy and chemical intensive process which still renders a high nutrient load into our waterways. Combining methane capture from primary treatment with biomass tertiary treatment systems we can actually produce a measurable amount of fuel from waste. What is waste really? IMO it is an unrealized resource. This is something that we should be looking for for much of our waste treatment. As it stands now sewage treatment is an energy and chemical intensive process which still renders a high nutrient load into our waterways. Combining methane capture from primary treatment with biomass tertiary treatment systems we can actually produce a measurable amount of fuel from waste. What is waste really? IMO it is an unrealized resource.

]]> By: Vi Stapel http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60923 Vi Stapel Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:24:09 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60923 So how can one bring this technology to a city like Vancouver Canada where a lot of elec/fuel buses are in use ? One comment said sell/offer it to CHINA. :-) Men they used this technology LONG before anyone in the West did with animal dung and do in many remote areas for cooking with gaz. Has anyone ever seen COPACABANA in Rio/Brazil when the currents are not favorable and all the poo they pump out to the sea comes back to the beach? Yaaaaaaak and it really happens. I hear, in Canada and USA they still have X areas where some sort of pump waist waters & probably some stuff hopefully treated goes into the sea etc...like here in Vancouver. Even if treated the way it LOOKS is cruel to my nature loving eyes. And people live 200m away facing this beach. http://visualsenses.smugmug.com/gallery/7410418_xDNCN#477495415_ofN8V So how can one bring this technology to a city like Vancouver Canada where a lot of elec/fuel buses are in use ? One comment said sell/offer it to CHINA. :-) Men they used this technology LONG before anyone in the West did with animal dung and do in many remote areas for cooking with gaz. Has anyone ever seen COPACABANA in Rio/Brazil when the currents are not favorable and all the poo they pump out to the sea comes back to the beach? Yaaaaaaak and it really happens. I hear, in Canada and USA they still have X areas where some sort of pump waist waters & probably some stuff hopefully treated goes into the sea etc…like here in Vancouver. Even if treated the way it LOOKS is cruel to my nature loving eyes. And people live 200m away facing this beach.
http://visualsenses.smugmug.com/gallery/7410418_xDNCN#477495415_ofN8V

]]> By: Lisafrequency http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60919 Lisafrequency Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:16:32 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60919 Hey I like it and I hope America will be developing something like this in the very near future. Just think how much more the schools could spend on education if they did not have to buy fuel for buses. Then maybe teachers could keep their jobs. Hey I like it and I hope America will be developing something like this in the very near future.

Just think how much more the schools could spend on education if they did not have to buy fuel for buses. Then maybe teachers could keep their jobs.

]]> By: Thia Zol http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60924 Thia Zol Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:02:11 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60924 I think I read this case in one other article describing one of the greatest diaries in the US transforming all of their milk trucks to drive on biomethane produced from cow manure and at the same time producing electricity from the same dung for the factories.. I think I read this case in one other article describing one of the greatest diaries in the US transforming all of their milk trucks to drive on biomethane produced from cow manure and at the same time producing electricity from the same dung for the factories..

]]> By: Cyclonus http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60922 Cyclonus Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:27:30 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60922 If its good for Bartertown its good for us. It would do good in the U.S. cause all our politicans are full of s**t. If its good for Bartertown its good for us. It would do good in the U.S. cause all our politicans are full of s**t.

]]> By: spartandude http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60913 spartandude Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:48:19 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60913 @davison: I agree with your statement regarding the oxidation of carbon in this cycle. However, that is not what the article says. It simply states that the carbon in this cycle came from the air not petroleum. The statement ignores the significant input of carbon from farming and transportation. Regardless of the inaccuracies the CO2 would have been input into the air anyway so the use for anything else would be a carbon neutral utilization. Now if the CH4 harvested from the bioreactors could power the infrastructure to produce it with only power input from the sun into plants that would be perfectly carbon neutral. Right now that's a pipe dream, but I believe that this is a step in the right direction. Peace. @davison: I agree with your statement regarding the oxidation of carbon in this cycle. However, that is not what the article says. It simply states that the carbon in this cycle came from the air not petroleum. The statement ignores the significant input of carbon from farming and transportation. Regardless of the inaccuracies the CO2 would have been input into the air anyway so the use for anything else would be a carbon neutral utilization. Now if the CH4 harvested from the bioreactors could power the infrastructure to produce it with only power input from the sun into plants that would be perfectly carbon neutral. Right now that’s a pipe dream, but I believe that this is a step in the right direction.
Peace.

]]> By: John A. Davison http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/29/human-sewage-to-power-buses-in-norway/comment-page-1/#comment-60918 John A. Davison Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:22:22 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/?p=2265#comment-60918 It is a very good idea to collect human waste as a potential fuel. Animal waste has been used this way for a long time. The problem is the collection. I disagree about methane (CH4) not being a CO2 producer when oxidized. CH4 + 2O2 = CO2 + 2H2O ALL hydrocarbons produce CO2 when oxidized. Indeed, that is the problem. The only realistic solution to global warming involves the elimination of hydrocarbon fuels. Nuclear, hydroelectric, wind and solar production of electricity can theoretically power all surface transportation and all our other energy needs with electrical "filling stations" replacing the current gasoline outlets. Only the powering of aircraft will require hydrocarbon fuel at least for the immediate future. Just some thoughts. jadavison.wordpress.com It is a very good idea to collect human waste as a potential fuel. Animal waste has been used this way for a long time. The problem is the collection.

I disagree about methane (CH4) not being a CO2 producer when oxidized.

CH4 + 2O2 = CO2 + 2H2O

ALL hydrocarbons produce CO2 when oxidized. Indeed, that is the problem. The only realistic solution to global warming involves the elimination of hydrocarbon fuels. Nuclear, hydroelectric, wind and solar production of electricity can theoretically power all surface transportation and all our other energy needs with electrical “filling stations” replacing the current gasoline outlets. Only the powering of aircraft will require hydrocarbon fuel at least for the immediate future.

Just some thoughts.

jadavison.wordpress.com

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