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	<title>Comments on: A First: More Ethanol than Gas Sold in Brazil</title>
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		<title>By: Why is Brazil Doubling its Military Protection in the Amazon Rainforest? : EcoWorldly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why is Brazil Doubling its Military Protection in the Amazon Rainforest? : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The answer is more muddled than I would have guessed. But what can you expect given Brazil&#8217;s recent my-way-or-the-highway conservation tactics, their boldness in announcing an unrealistically ambitious anti-deforestation campaign, and a giant oil discovery that further added to the wealth of a country that is now buying more ethanol than gas? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The answer is more muddled than I would have guessed. But what can you expect given Brazil&#8217;s recent my-way-or-the-highway conservation tactics, their boldness in announcing an unrealistically ambitious anti-deforestation campaign, and a giant oil discovery that further added to the wealth of a country that is now buying more ethanol than gas? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to feel very positive about next-gen biofuels (e.g. cellulosic ethanol, algae biodiesel). However, over the past year, I&#039;ve become increasingly convinced that the future of transportation lies with electrification rather than improved liquid fuels.

That&#039;s not to say that natural gas and next-gen biofuels can&#039;t play a part, but the focus going into improving battery technology right now leads me to believe that this is ultimately where things are headed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to feel very positive about next-gen biofuels (e.g. cellulosic ethanol, algae biodiesel). However, over the past year, I&#8217;ve become increasingly convinced that the future of transportation lies with electrification rather than improved liquid fuels.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that natural gas and next-gen biofuels can&#8217;t play a part, but the focus going into improving battery technology right now leads me to believe that this is ultimately where things are headed.</p>
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		<title>By: Almir R. Américo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Almir R. Américo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen a very interesting article comparing the Brazilian and American ethanol programs in the link below:

http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Content.asp?ContentID=281882</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen a very interesting article comparing the Brazilian and American ethanol programs in the link below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Content.asp?ContentID=281882" rel="nofollow">http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Content.asp?ContentID=281882</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Kennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Kennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Sao Paulo.

Firstly 9 of 10 cars are not dual use.  MAYBE 1 in 20.

Yes, there are a lot of ethanol only cars here.  They have been popular since the 1980&#039;s.

Also, everyone I know that has a &quot;flex&quot; auto, uses just gasoline.  The reason: 1) better performance, 2) you don&#039;t need to stop and refill as often.

So even though gasoline is x2 the price it&#039;s equal in mileage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Sao Paulo.</p>
<p>Firstly 9 of 10 cars are not dual use.  MAYBE 1 in 20.</p>
<p>Yes, there are a lot of ethanol only cars here.  They have been popular since the 1980&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Also, everyone I know that has a &#8220;flex&#8221; auto, uses just gasoline.  The reason: 1) better performance, 2) you don&#8217;t need to stop and refill as often.</p>
<p>So even though gasoline is x2 the price it&#8217;s equal in mileage.</p>
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		<title>By: catch22</title>
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		<dc:creator>catch22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gavin: thanks for the article - for info Brazilian ethanol contains roughly 2/3 the energy per gallon of gasoline (need 50% more of it to drive the same distance) therefore would need to retail at 2/3 the price to be competitive; at 1/2 the price per gallon it would offer a $/mile cost saving of 25%, still pretty good!

@Allison: think Gavin was referring to gasoline cost in Brazil around R$2.30/litre equivalent to $US4/gallon

@Brian: thanks for the highlighting this legislation

@almir: nicely written, will pm you

@zalmino: I am not sure the US midwest &amp; SE Brazil have been deforested for ethanol production; perhaps you are referring to palm oil &amp; maybe soy bean, somewhere else? plug in hybrids use electricity from the grid which is typically coal fired and hence produces at least as much CO2 as gasoline (Brazilian ethanol reduces lifecycle CO2 by ~85%) - PHEVs maybe cleaner with CCS or nuclear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gavin: thanks for the article &#8211; for info Brazilian ethanol contains roughly 2/3 the energy per gallon of gasoline (need 50% more of it to drive the same distance) therefore would need to retail at 2/3 the price to be competitive; at 1/2 the price per gallon it would offer a $/mile cost saving of 25%, still pretty good!</p>
<p>@Allison: think Gavin was referring to gasoline cost in Brazil around R$2.30/litre equivalent to $US4/gallon</p>
<p>@Brian: thanks for the highlighting this legislation</p>
<p>@almir: nicely written, will pm you</p>
<p>@zalmino: I am not sure the US midwest &amp; SE Brazil have been deforested for ethanol production; perhaps you are referring to palm oil &amp; maybe soy bean, somewhere else? plug in hybrids use electricity from the grid which is typically coal fired and hence produces at least as much CO2 as gasoline (Brazilian ethanol reduces lifecycle CO2 by ~85%) &#8211; PHEVs maybe cleaner with CCS or nuclear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clean Future Energy</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/03/a-first-more-ethanol-sold-than-gas-in-brazil/comment-page-1/#comment-54721</link>
		<dc:creator>Clean Future Energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankfully, Brazilian Ethanol is energy &amp; economically wise a viable alternative, unlike its corn based cousin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully, Brazilian Ethanol is energy &amp; economically wise a viable alternative, unlike its corn based cousin.</p>
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		<title>By: zalmino</title>
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		<dc:creator>zalmino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a tragedy. All this does is hike up the price of food, cause vast deforestation and causing more global warming through all the deforestation to make way for the vast fields of corn and sugar cane.

The real environmentally friendly way off oil is through the plug-in hybrid.

calcars.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tragedy. All this does is hike up the price of food, cause vast deforestation and causing more global warming through all the deforestation to make way for the vast fields of corn and sugar cane.</p>
<p>The real environmentally friendly way off oil is through the plug-in hybrid.</p>
<p>calcars.org</p>
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		<title>By: sm hudson</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/03/a-first-more-ethanol-sold-than-gas-in-brazil/comment-page-1/#comment-54723</link>
		<dc:creator>sm hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an impressive amount of alternative fuel research being conducted here in the San Francisco Bay Area, much of which I have been able to listen to on KQED Radio&#039;s Quest program.  It is indeed very encouraging to be reminded about both the movement away from crude oil and other fossil fuels, while both governments and industry increase research and development of ethanol creation as well as biofuels beyond ethanol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an impressive amount of alternative fuel research being conducted here in the San Francisco Bay Area, much of which I have been able to listen to on KQED Radio&#8217;s Quest program.  It is indeed very encouraging to be reminded about both the movement away from crude oil and other fossil fuels, while both governments and industry increase research and development of ethanol creation as well as biofuels beyond ethanol.</p>
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		<title>By: Almir R. Américo</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/01/03/a-first-more-ethanol-sold-than-gas-in-brazil/comment-page-1/#comment-54722</link>
		<dc:creator>Almir R. Américo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans prefer to blame the World for not offering cheap oil for them. You have spent a precious time just debating the floating oil proces instead of discussing a change in American exaggerated driving habits. It&#039;s about time to analyse the situation from the demand side in order to get the problems solved in the future.

We rarely see American urban populations demanding improvements in public transportation. The list of the 10 best sold cars in America is basicaly a list of small trucks, none of these vehicles can be considered a compact car. You have been overspending fuel to move in their overcrowded cities, and that&#039;s not reasonable even in a prosperous society like yours. You Americans could do a lot yourselves to solve the crisis, just by adapting your driving habits.

I will take this opportunity to propose some words about bio-fuels. As rising food prices continue to threaten food security around the world, one obvious solution is being largely ignored: Brazilian ethanol. Brazil started to create this real fuel alternative since the first oil crisis hit the world in the 70s. Now Brazilian drive small or medium sized cars moved by ethanol or gasoline mixed in any proportion and internal consumption of ethanol in the country is already superior to gasoline&#039;s. Brazilian ethanol is produced from sugarcane without any governmental subsidies and the fuel has a very competitive price. Researchers are increasing the productivity of ethanol year after year (more fuel extracted per square kilometer of sugarcane crops). They adapted sugar canes species to each type of land and topography so the productivity now is more than 3 times the records of 30 years ago. And the productivity keeps on rising and is expected to soar very soon when the technology to extract ethanol from cellulosic materials (crop waste) will be available for large scale production. Brazil could expand its sugarcane fields without disturbing sensitive land areas by tapping land such as depleted pastures. Just raising intensity of cattle production from the current 0.8 animals per hectare to 1.2 animals (a target already far exceeded in many parts of the country) would release about 80m hectares of land for crops. There remains plenty of room for expansion: the country has about 7m hectares of land under sugarcane, of which about 3m hectares is used for ethanol, compared to 200m hectares of pasture, about 21m hectares of soya and 14m hectares of maize.

And a more persuasive fact for incentive ethanol production in Brazil is the electric energy that is generated as a by-product of ethanol processing: taking into consideration the energetic balance, the electricity generated in sugar cane processing in Brazil is almost as large as its fuel equivalent. It&#039;s like a two large scale hydroelectric plants generating electricity exactly when it&#039;s more necessary: in the Brazilian dry season! So the Brazilian producers of ethanol are also having soaring revenues by selling electricity to the country&#039;s national electric system! It&#039;s become an strategic source of electricity, so it&#039;s a win-win game for the country and for the farmers.

Off course Brazilian ethanol would never concur with petroleum, but it could ease the current oil crisis by supplying a small part of the world energy demand. It could be an good alternative to the highly non-efficient corn based American ethanol. The problem is that much of Brazil’s ethanol exports continues to face prohibitive tariffs and other barriers to developed markets in the US and Europe. America keep its market closed to alternative fuels at the same time blames the world for not supplying then with more tax-free oil. The developed world appears purposely myopic in relation to the opportunities Brazil presents, maybe it&#039;s because that would upset wealthy US and European farmers – a price apparently not worth paying.

But my main point with this letter is to propose you Americans the following question: if a developing country like Brazil could create an efficient energy alternative, why should not Americans do the same instead of just waiting the world increase oil production?

My best regards,

Almir R. Américo (almiramerico@gmail.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans prefer to blame the World for not offering cheap oil for them. You have spent a precious time just debating the floating oil proces instead of discussing a change in American exaggerated driving habits. It&#8217;s about time to analyse the situation from the demand side in order to get the problems solved in the future.</p>
<p>We rarely see American urban populations demanding improvements in public transportation. The list of the 10 best sold cars in America is basicaly a list of small trucks, none of these vehicles can be considered a compact car. You have been overspending fuel to move in their overcrowded cities, and that&#8217;s not reasonable even in a prosperous society like yours. You Americans could do a lot yourselves to solve the crisis, just by adapting your driving habits.</p>
<p>I will take this opportunity to propose some words about bio-fuels. As rising food prices continue to threaten food security around the world, one obvious solution is being largely ignored: Brazilian ethanol. Brazil started to create this real fuel alternative since the first oil crisis hit the world in the 70s. Now Brazilian drive small or medium sized cars moved by ethanol or gasoline mixed in any proportion and internal consumption of ethanol in the country is already superior to gasoline&#8217;s. Brazilian ethanol is produced from sugarcane without any governmental subsidies and the fuel has a very competitive price. Researchers are increasing the productivity of ethanol year after year (more fuel extracted per square kilometer of sugarcane crops). They adapted sugar canes species to each type of land and topography so the productivity now is more than 3 times the records of 30 years ago. And the productivity keeps on rising and is expected to soar very soon when the technology to extract ethanol from cellulosic materials (crop waste) will be available for large scale production. Brazil could expand its sugarcane fields without disturbing sensitive land areas by tapping land such as depleted pastures. Just raising intensity of cattle production from the current 0.8 animals per hectare to 1.2 animals (a target already far exceeded in many parts of the country) would release about 80m hectares of land for crops. There remains plenty of room for expansion: the country has about 7m hectares of land under sugarcane, of which about 3m hectares is used for ethanol, compared to 200m hectares of pasture, about 21m hectares of soya and 14m hectares of maize.</p>
<p>And a more persuasive fact for incentive ethanol production in Brazil is the electric energy that is generated as a by-product of ethanol processing: taking into consideration the energetic balance, the electricity generated in sugar cane processing in Brazil is almost as large as its fuel equivalent. It&#8217;s like a two large scale hydroelectric plants generating electricity exactly when it&#8217;s more necessary: in the Brazilian dry season! So the Brazilian producers of ethanol are also having soaring revenues by selling electricity to the country&#8217;s national electric system! It&#8217;s become an strategic source of electricity, so it&#8217;s a win-win game for the country and for the farmers.</p>
<p>Off course Brazilian ethanol would never concur with petroleum, but it could ease the current oil crisis by supplying a small part of the world energy demand. It could be an good alternative to the highly non-efficient corn based American ethanol. The problem is that much of Brazil’s ethanol exports continues to face prohibitive tariffs and other barriers to developed markets in the US and Europe. America keep its market closed to alternative fuels at the same time blames the world for not supplying then with more tax-free oil. The developed world appears purposely myopic in relation to the opportunities Brazil presents, maybe it&#8217;s because that would upset wealthy US and European farmers – a price apparently not worth paying.</p>
<p>But my main point with this letter is to propose you Americans the following question: if a developing country like Brazil could create an efficient energy alternative, why should not Americans do the same instead of just waiting the world increase oil production?</p>
<p>My best regards,</p>
<p>Almir R. Américo (almiramerico@gmail.com)</p>
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		<title>By: Levi Novey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levi Novey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty exciting news... hopefully alternative fuels are just on the start of their upswing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty exciting news&#8230; hopefully alternative fuels are just on the start of their upswing.</p>
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