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	<title>Comments on: China to Miss its 2010 Ethanol Target</title>
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		<title>By: zozzancs</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/10/22/china-to-miss-its-2010-ethanol-target/comment-page-1/#comment-280509</link>
		<dc:creator>zozzancs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh... China. They need a lots of food. Here in Hungary we have a huge amount of extra corn every year which we can not sell to anyone. Some years ago we started to produce E85. It was great. Less corn, less oil import, cheap fuel and gain for local businesses dealing with ethanol. You probably don&#039;t know, but Hungary is the second largest E85 fan in Europe. We have about 400 gas stations serving E85, and we are a pretty small country. Only Sweden has more: ~1600. (Check the map of hungarian E85 petrol stations: http://e85kutak.info)

The only problem is, that our #&amp;@{˘^ˇ° government no invented some extra tax for E85, which made it too expensive. In Europe there is a rule of thumb, that the price of E85 should be maximum 70% of the gasoline price to make more and more people use it. Now, here in Hungary the price is over 80%. The problem is, that a car with E85 uses 20-30% more fuel than with gasoline. So now, here when you use E85, you drive more expensive. That&#039;s how &quot;we&quot; help green fuel to spread... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; China. They need a lots of food. Here in Hungary we have a huge amount of extra corn every year which we can not sell to anyone. Some years ago we started to produce E85. It was great. Less corn, less oil import, cheap fuel and gain for local businesses dealing with ethanol. You probably don&#8217;t know, but Hungary is the second largest E85 fan in Europe. We have about 400 gas stations serving E85, and we are a pretty small country. Only Sweden has more: ~1600. (Check the map of hungarian E85 petrol stations: <a href="http://e85kutak.info" rel="nofollow">http://e85kutak.info</a>)</p>
<p>The only problem is, that our #&amp;@{˘^ˇ° government no invented some extra tax for E85, which made it too expensive. In Europe there is a rule of thumb, that the price of E85 should be maximum 70% of the gasoline price to make more and more people use it. Now, here in Hungary the price is over 80%. The problem is, that a car with E85 uses 20-30% more fuel than with gasoline. So now, here when you use E85, you drive more expensive. That&#8217;s how &#8220;we&#8221; help green fuel to spread&#8230; <img src='http://c1ecolocalizercom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel D Martin</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/10/22/china-to-miss-its-2010-ethanol-target/comment-page-1/#comment-214472</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel D Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese goverment is seating on the top of more than 2 trillions dollar reserves ,they can afford to pay higher corn ,sugar and cassava prices 
trade balance is only fair!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese goverment is seating on the top of more than 2 trillions dollar reserves ,they can afford to pay higher corn ,sugar and cassava prices<br />
trade balance is only fair!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel D Martin</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/10/22/china-to-miss-its-2010-ethanol-target/comment-page-1/#comment-214471</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel D Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China sensitive?
you are talking about same goverment that kill 3 thousands in THE MIDDLE OF ITS CAPITAL CITY !?
 they only do what can bring them money then call themselve socialist 
lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China sensitive?<br />
you are talking about same goverment that kill 3 thousands in THE MIDDLE OF ITS CAPITAL CITY !?<br />
 they only do what can bring them money then call themselve socialist<br />
lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Double Handshake &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sweet: Prospects for China-Brazil ethanol trade</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/10/22/china-to-miss-its-2010-ethanol-target/comment-page-1/#comment-67264</link>
		<dc:creator>Double Handshake &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sweet: Prospects for China-Brazil ethanol trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 06:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jump-starting things back home &#8211; China&#8217;s domestic ethanol industry is not dead, mind you. It&#8217;s just not a big priority right now. Working closer with Brazil on ethanol could result in China gaining the technology and experience necessary to revitalize its own ethanol industry, which is all but certain to miss its 2010 production target. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jump-starting things back home &#8211; China&#8217;s domestic ethanol industry is not dead, mind you. It&#8217;s just not a big priority right now. Working closer with Brazil on ethanol could result in China gaining the technology and experience necessary to revitalize its own ethanol industry, which is all but certain to miss its 2010 production target. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alternative Fuels Now &#187; DrumBeat: October 22, 2008</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/10/22/china-to-miss-its-2010-ethanol-target/comment-page-1/#comment-60434</link>
		<dc:creator>Alternative Fuels Now &#187; DrumBeat: October 22, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] China to Miss its 2010 Ethanol Target According to a recent Reuters report, China will miss its 2010 ethanol as fuel target. This is because China is not relaxing control over non-grain feedstocks, at the same time as restricting ethanol production through grain. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] China to Miss its 2010 Ethanol Target According to a recent Reuters report, China will miss its 2010 ethanol as fuel target. This is because China is not relaxing control over non-grain feedstocks, at the same time as restricting ethanol production through grain. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gawain kripke</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/10/22/china-to-miss-its-2010-ethanol-target/comment-page-1/#comment-60433</link>
		<dc:creator>gawain kripke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to credit China for taking some responsibility for it&#039;s ethanol program.  if it&#039;s driving food prices up, then it needs a second look.

The US, on the other hand, refuses to even consider reviewing ethanol mandates and subsidies.  So 1/3 of the corn harvest (about 1/10 of the world&#039;s corn) will be converted to ethanol and burned in SUVs.  Meanwhile, about a billion people don&#039;t have enough to eat.

China looks sensitive and careful by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to credit China for taking some responsibility for it&#8217;s ethanol program.  if it&#8217;s driving food prices up, then it needs a second look.</p>
<p>The US, on the other hand, refuses to even consider reviewing ethanol mandates and subsidies.  So 1/3 of the corn harvest (about 1/10 of the world&#8217;s corn) will be converted to ethanol and burned in SUVs.  Meanwhile, about a billion people don&#8217;t have enough to eat.</p>
<p>China looks sensitive and careful by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff - ScienceSays.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff - ScienceSays.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I don&#039;t expect much of anything from China anymore. If they couldn&#039;t get Beijing clean for the Olympics, the most important international event in their history, I fail to see what they WOULD consider changing course for.

It seems to me like, 100 years from now, China may be environmentalism&#039;s final frontier.

Also, in many ways, I think Chinese environmental problems will be seen as the dirty legacy of the American model - by taking the American lifestyle and applying it to nearly 2 billion people, China grossly highlighted the problems with our lifestyle, and proved we were living the high life on borrowed time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t expect much of anything from China anymore. If they couldn&#8217;t get Beijing clean for the Olympics, the most important international event in their history, I fail to see what they WOULD consider changing course for.</p>
<p>It seems to me like, 100 years from now, China may be environmentalism&#8217;s final frontier.</p>
<p>Also, in many ways, I think Chinese environmental problems will be seen as the dirty legacy of the American model &#8211; by taking the American lifestyle and applying it to nearly 2 billion people, China grossly highlighted the problems with our lifestyle, and proved we were living the high life on borrowed time.</p>
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