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		<title>By: Rod Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanity seems to have prevailed in this case. but I have some issues with the proliferation of private zoos and breeding programmes for tigers lions etc. Western Plains zoo has proved that Lions breed extremely well under Australian conditions. Our large numbers of stock (sheep, cattle, goats etc) and huge Kangaroo population guarantee an adequate food supply. And in the event of an escape it is not in the interests of private or public zoo owners to risk their funding or income stream by publicising the event. dangerous Foreign animals belong in Foreign countries. If a breeding programme is needed to ensure their survival it should be conducted in the country of origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanity seems to have prevailed in this case. but I have some issues with the proliferation of private zoos and breeding programmes for tigers lions etc. Western Plains zoo has proved that Lions breed extremely well under Australian conditions. Our large numbers of stock (sheep, cattle, goats etc) and huge Kangaroo population guarantee an adequate food supply. And in the event of an escape it is not in the interests of private or public zoo owners to risk their funding or income stream by publicising the event. dangerous Foreign animals belong in Foreign countries. If a breeding programme is needed to ensure their survival it should be conducted in the country of origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Neighborhood in Lima, Peru Takes on Noise Pollution by Passing 1 Dog Per Apartment Law : EcoWorldly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neighborhood in Lima, Peru Takes on Noise Pollution by Passing 1 Dog Per Apartment Law : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savannah breeders select for pattern and height (from the Serval) and for domestic temperament.  The 50% (halving) of genes is an average across a generation, not an absolute. Even if one undesexed Savannah were to escape and breed, it does not necessarily follow that its descendents would breed only among themselves.  Being outnumbered by normal size ferals, their genes would be swamped.  This has been demonstrated time and again in mammalian populations around the world where the influence of introduced individuals over a period of time leaves no long term effect.  Much of the &quot;research&quot; against Savannahs is taken from a comparison with an introduced fish.  Mammals are not fish and cannot spawn hundreds of offspring at a time so the comparison is not valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savannah breeders select for pattern and height (from the Serval) and for domestic temperament.  The 50% (halving) of genes is an average across a generation, not an absolute. Even if one undesexed Savannah were to escape and breed, it does not necessarily follow that its descendents would breed only among themselves.  Being outnumbered by normal size ferals, their genes would be swamped.  This has been demonstrated time and again in mammalian populations around the world where the influence of introduced individuals over a period of time leaves no long term effect.  Much of the &#8220;research&#8221; against Savannahs is taken from a comparison with an introduced fish.  Mammals are not fish and cannot spawn hundreds of offspring at a time so the comparison is not valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/08/12/big-cats-banned-from-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-57921</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to thank Justin (13th Aug) for pointing out that the photograph is not credited and in fact was taken from my website without permission of the photographer Kathrin Stucki. This then is a copyright violation

This gives me the indication that the author of this article is hypocritical and never, but never, addresses the root cause of the problem of feral cats, namely human behavior. It is time we stopped attacking the cat and looked a little harder at our behavior as we created the feral cat &quot;problem&quot;.

Lastly, there is no hard evidence the feral cat does the kind of damage to wildlife as stated here. Poor article lacking in thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank Justin (13th Aug) for pointing out that the photograph is not credited and in fact was taken from my website without permission of the photographer Kathrin Stucki. This then is a copyright violation</p>
<p>This gives me the indication that the author of this article is hypocritical and never, but never, addresses the root cause of the problem of feral cats, namely human behavior. It is time we stopped attacking the cat and looked a little harder at our behavior as we created the feral cat &#8220;problem&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lastly, there is no hard evidence the feral cat does the kind of damage to wildlife as stated here. Poor article lacking in thought.</p>
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		<title>By: BH</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/08/12/big-cats-banned-from-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-57935</link>
		<dc:creator>BH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic journalism; lacking an engrained sense of duty to the truth or to the readers.

All breeders of Savannah&#039;s in Australia (offering kittens for 2009) sell only desexed amimals as pets. Your average joe walking through a shopping centre isn&#039;t going to impulse buy a cute little savannah for his little darling at christmas to put in her handbag just to let it out for good in january for AU$5000 so there is no harm to the environment.

Therefore there is no issue on the environment from these breeds. If for example there were some inscrutable people out there trying to make a quick buck then i&#039;m sure some breedable pets could get out and as stated above they would evole into the dominent species of ferral cats. But dont worry about that, they way things are going we&#039;ll destroy the native bushlands with suburb expansion well before a few dozzen ferral cats become a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic journalism; lacking an engrained sense of duty to the truth or to the readers.</p>
<p>All breeders of Savannah&#8217;s in Australia (offering kittens for 2009) sell only desexed amimals as pets. Your average joe walking through a shopping centre isn&#8217;t going to impulse buy a cute little savannah for his little darling at christmas to put in her handbag just to let it out for good in january for AU$5000 so there is no harm to the environment.</p>
<p>Therefore there is no issue on the environment from these breeds. If for example there were some inscrutable people out there trying to make a quick buck then i&#8217;m sure some breedable pets could get out and as stated above they would evole into the dominent species of ferral cats. But dont worry about that, they way things are going we&#8217;ll destroy the native bushlands with suburb expansion well before a few dozzen ferral cats become a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben - Adelaide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben - Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uneducated diatribe if i may say so. Did you do any research before spouting your rubbish on the World Wide Web? This is a domesticated and hybridized version of a Serval and Domestic cat carried out in 1986, and pushed through all the rigmarole of the TICA board.  Savannahs are considered one of the larger breeds of domesticated cats.

The Savannah, Bengal, or other African cats (you forgot all the Egyptian or Thai cat varieties that make up more than 50% of all the domestic cat stock) may not be as far removed from its ancestors as we humans are, but it’s still a mix of a near wild animal and a domestic cat. I don’t see you complaining about people who own a Chow Chow, Pekingese, Shih Tzu, Basenji, Alaskan Malamute or any there of the 14 ancient dog breeds which are as closely related to their ancestors as this hybrid cat that was bred for its looks not its hunger for native Australian marsupials that the foxes or dingo’s, or the suburbs haven’t had a go at yet…

I&#039;m sure we all feel great that we can blame the cat for all the problems with our diminishing wildlife but no-one stops to think about feral dogs or feral humans. Instead of blogging rubbish like this your efforts should be better used towards stopping pet stores in shopping centres selling thousands of pets before Christmas to people who haven&#039;t the skills or future desires to look after some of these animals.

If you want to help, off your Americanized fast food filled ass and do something more constructive about the environment and our wildlife. Alas, I’m sure you’re more likely to sell out the domestic cat instead of selling your car, turning off you’re A/C or doing anything substantial or constructive to help the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uneducated diatribe if i may say so. Did you do any research before spouting your rubbish on the World Wide Web? This is a domesticated and hybridized version of a Serval and Domestic cat carried out in 1986, and pushed through all the rigmarole of the TICA board.  Savannahs are considered one of the larger breeds of domesticated cats.</p>
<p>The Savannah, Bengal, or other African cats (you forgot all the Egyptian or Thai cat varieties that make up more than 50% of all the domestic cat stock) may not be as far removed from its ancestors as we humans are, but it’s still a mix of a near wild animal and a domestic cat. I don’t see you complaining about people who own a Chow Chow, Pekingese, Shih Tzu, Basenji, Alaskan Malamute or any there of the 14 ancient dog breeds which are as closely related to their ancestors as this hybrid cat that was bred for its looks not its hunger for native Australian marsupials that the foxes or dingo’s, or the suburbs haven’t had a go at yet…</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we all feel great that we can blame the cat for all the problems with our diminishing wildlife but no-one stops to think about feral dogs or feral humans. Instead of blogging rubbish like this your efforts should be better used towards stopping pet stores in shopping centres selling thousands of pets before Christmas to people who haven&#8217;t the skills or future desires to look after some of these animals.</p>
<p>If you want to help, off your Americanized fast food filled ass and do something more constructive about the environment and our wildlife. Alas, I’m sure you’re more likely to sell out the domestic cat instead of selling your car, turning off you’re A/C or doing anything substantial or constructive to help the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Alarhmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Alarhmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the sterilized cats ?
They are no threat to the environment once they manage to escape their owners.</description>
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They are no threat to the environment once they manage to escape their owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was overwhelming opposition in Australia.  Besides the 526 submissions against, there were 8600 on an online petition; 2000 in another paper petition and 36000 online votes against on an MSN poll.  It was pretty encouraging that Australians value wildlife so much.

The importers displayed real ignorance of genetics, as did a number of scientists and the messybeast website mentioned above.  Each generation of cats does not simply have half the serval genes of the previous generation, because breeders select for serval genes by selecting for the serval look.  And they claimed escaped genes would dilute in the feral population - Darwin&#039;s theory would indicate those genes would be selected.

This was a good decision for the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was overwhelming opposition in Australia.  Besides the 526 submissions against, there were 8600 on an online petition; 2000 in another paper petition and 36000 online votes against on an MSN poll.  It was pretty encouraging that Australians value wildlife so much.</p>
<p>The importers displayed real ignorance of genetics, as did a number of scientists and the messybeast website mentioned above.  Each generation of cats does not simply have half the serval genes of the previous generation, because breeders select for serval genes by selecting for the serval look.  And they claimed escaped genes would dilute in the feral population &#8211; Darwin&#8217;s theory would indicate those genes would be selected.</p>
<p>This was a good decision for the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty sure we have enough animals that can kill us already.</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try up to 20 lbs (9 kg), not 20 kg.  The wild ancestor, the Serval may reach 20 kg, but the hybrid Savannah does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try up to 20 lbs (9 kg), not 20 kg.  The wild ancestor, the Serval may reach 20 kg, but the hybrid Savannah does not.</p>
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