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	<title>Comments on: Experts Say China&#8217;s Wind Energy Could Grow 1667% by 2020</title>
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		<title>By: Wind4me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wind4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>APWR is your China Wind Stock</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APWR is your China Wind Stock</p>
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		<title>By: political info</title>
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		<dc:creator>political info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20 is way too significant to be dropping phrases like orders of magnitude FYI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 is way too significant to be dropping phrases like orders of magnitude FYI</p>
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		<title>By: Argentina Will Produce Massive Wind Power Turbines : EcoWorldly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argentina Will Produce Massive Wind Power Turbines : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] than 15 millions dollars and will take about three years to achieve. The final goal is to export wind energy, and some corporations are thinking to establish these turbines also in Chubut, Santa Cruz, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] than 15 millions dollars and will take about three years to achieve. The final goal is to export wind energy, and some corporations are thinking to establish these turbines also in Chubut, Santa Cruz, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Clean Coal and China</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Clean Coal and China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] China is investing strongly in hydro, although this is very controversial  (think Three Gorges Dam) and  experts Say China’s Wind Energy Could Grow 1667% by 2020. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] China is investing strongly in hydro, although this is very controversial  (think Three Gorges Dam) and  experts Say China’s Wind Energy Could Grow 1667% by 2020. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tech Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Guys: Very serious blog going on here.  Here is my 2 cents: look beyond (behind)the numbers.  6GW is the total cumulative installed capacity in China.  It does not equate to China producing 6GW wind electricity.

1. According to the UK Wind Energy Association, a typical installed wind turbine produces an average not more than 30% rated capacity or design capacity. This 30% is called &quot;load factor&quot; or &quot;capacity factor&quot; in the US. I have not come across any research on China&#039;s wind load factor.  Some say it is below 20%.

2. Other factors that affect a wind energy output include: quality of the turbine like blades, gearbox, quality of the wind resource like wind speed variation, how high and how low, availability of grid connectivity, real experts that truly understand this  green energy and the related technology. When it comes to new business development in China, you often see &quot;blind leading the blind&quot; situations.

3. If you are seriously thinking about investing in China&#039;s renewable energy area, pay attention to the operators, participate in the conference calls and ask questions.  If they are real experts in what they are doing, you will have a better chance of winning.

4. Good old American is still the best. Our B-schools started to make business ethics a required MBA course long before any other country, certainly decades before China. I am not sure if it is required in China. I am not saying one course will prevent Arthur Andersen type but it certainly builds an important awareness.

5. Between 2008 and 2020 or in 13 years, China will add additional new capacity of 100-6=94GW, that is over 7GW newly installed capacity each year for 13 years, 94GW requires roughly 10 million tons of forged components. This is a lot of forging capacity requirement.

6. As there are good players, there are bad ones. Paying attention will help you weed out the bad ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Guys: Very serious blog going on here.  Here is my 2 cents: look beyond (behind)the numbers.  6GW is the total cumulative installed capacity in China.  It does not equate to China producing 6GW wind electricity.</p>
<p>1. According to the UK Wind Energy Association, a typical installed wind turbine produces an average not more than 30% rated capacity or design capacity. This 30% is called &#8220;load factor&#8221; or &#8220;capacity factor&#8221; in the US. I have not come across any research on China&#8217;s wind load factor.  Some say it is below 20%.</p>
<p>2. Other factors that affect a wind energy output include: quality of the turbine like blades, gearbox, quality of the wind resource like wind speed variation, how high and how low, availability of grid connectivity, real experts that truly understand this  green energy and the related technology. When it comes to new business development in China, you often see &#8220;blind leading the blind&#8221; situations.</p>
<p>3. If you are seriously thinking about investing in China&#8217;s renewable energy area, pay attention to the operators, participate in the conference calls and ask questions.  If they are real experts in what they are doing, you will have a better chance of winning.</p>
<p>4. Good old American is still the best. Our B-schools started to make business ethics a required MBA course long before any other country, certainly decades before China. I am not sure if it is required in China. I am not saying one course will prevent Arthur Andersen type but it certainly builds an important awareness.</p>
<p>5. Between 2008 and 2020 or in 13 years, China will add additional new capacity of 100-6=94GW, that is over 7GW newly installed capacity each year for 13 years, 94GW requires roughly 10 million tons of forged components. This is a lot of forging capacity requirement.</p>
<p>6. As there are good players, there are bad ones. Paying attention will help you weed out the bad ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Прочитано.ру &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Будущее Китая</title>
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		<dc:creator>Прочитано.ру &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Будущее Китая</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EcoWorldly.com, в настоящее время Китай производит более 6 гигаватт [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] EcoWorldly.com, в настоящее время Китай производит более 6 гигаватт [...]</p>
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		<title>By: South Korean Islanders Ask &#8216;Who Owns the Wind?&#8217; : EcoWorldly</title>
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		<dc:creator>South Korean Islanders Ask &#8216;Who Owns the Wind?&#8217; : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Experts Say China’s Wind Energy Could Grow 1667% by 2020 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China runs full speed ahead into the 21st Century while the U.S.  is mired in old money, older philosophy and old oil barons in congress! The torch of leadership in the world was passed on and China is taking the lead! If the U.S. had chosen to be a moral people, and leaving Iraqi oil alone, and following Al Gore, decided to develop the South Western deserts, with the technology of the times - solar/thermal-molten sodium - electricity installations, for the same amount of money as that war cost, ($650 Billion), today, we would be tapping into the largest, renewable, sustainable, energy source the world has ever known. It would have paid every energy bill in the U.S.A. for maintenance fees only - FOREVER! It would be equivalent to an oil field that can NEVER run dry! Low cost electric power, and storeable hydrogen  gasoline replacement  from the electricity, for all!
After the millions of murders, and $650 billions of dollars, borrowed from our children’s futures and pissed away, with thousands of our own and others maimed and disfigured for life, millions of families utterly destroyed, ours and theirs, we are no closer to Iraqi oil production than the Iraqis are!
The next time you hear a blithering idiot spoiled brat, drunken, drug addicted, sociopath, rich  Arabic saber dancing  daddie’s boy oilman, stand at a microphone and threaten YOUR safety with someone ELSE’S weapons, remember what you lost America, remember, and weep! (also see  http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China runs full speed ahead into the 21st Century while the U.S.  is mired in old money, older philosophy and old oil barons in congress! The torch of leadership in the world was passed on and China is taking the lead! If the U.S. had chosen to be a moral people, and leaving Iraqi oil alone, and following Al Gore, decided to develop the South Western deserts, with the technology of the times &#8211; solar/thermal-molten sodium &#8211; electricity installations, for the same amount of money as that war cost, ($650 Billion), today, we would be tapping into the largest, renewable, sustainable, energy source the world has ever known. It would have paid every energy bill in the U.S.A. for maintenance fees only &#8211; FOREVER! It would be equivalent to an oil field that can NEVER run dry! Low cost electric power, and storeable hydrogen  gasoline replacement  from the electricity, for all!<br />
After the millions of murders, and $650 billions of dollars, borrowed from our children’s futures and pissed away, with thousands of our own and others maimed and disfigured for life, millions of families utterly destroyed, ours and theirs, we are no closer to Iraqi oil production than the Iraqis are!<br />
The next time you hear a blithering idiot spoiled brat, drunken, drug addicted, sociopath, rich  Arabic saber dancing  daddie’s boy oilman, stand at a microphone and threaten YOUR safety with someone ELSE’S weapons, remember what you lost America, remember, and weep! (also see  <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: amped</title>
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		<dc:creator>amped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of u looking for upside from an investment Point of view check out CWEY:OTCBB. trades 1.20 - 1.40 range. It is a recent IPO. Next year should be an explosive growth year for them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of u looking for upside from an investment Point of view check out CWEY:OTCBB. trades 1.20 &#8211; 1.40 range. It is a recent IPO. Next year should be an explosive growth year for them</p>
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		<title>By: HCL</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.  There&#039;s only one problem.  SAND.

Desertification and all those sandstorms bodes extremely well for that 27% CAGR those wind &#039;experts&#039; wet dreaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.  There&#8217;s only one problem.  SAND.</p>
<p>Desertification and all those sandstorms bodes extremely well for that 27% CAGR those wind &#8216;experts&#8217; wet dreaming.</p>
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