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	<title>Comments on: Do Peru&#8217;s Mysterious Chavín de Huantar Ruins Provide Hints As to Why Some Civilizations Disappear?</title>
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		<title>By: 12 of the World&#8217;s Most Mysterious Monuments &#38; Ruins &#124; Simon Wells</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jrup</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Novey&#039;s article is right on, except for the premise that &#039;some&#039; civilizations disappear. They ALL do, some faster and more completely than others. The Nazca people (and neighbors) from drought and overpopulation, Romans by poisoning themselves, and so on. Even the Hittites lasted only a thousand years, versatile and dispersed as they were. Yet, Daniel is right, too. Our attitudes and &#039;faith&#039; often keeps us on the road of &#039;whatever works&#039; long after it has ceased working - life is complex and dangerous. None of us are going to get out of it alive, but that doesn&#039;t mean we should not try our best for whatever follows us ... cap and trade? Seems fitting that our last and only &#039;export&#039; should be toxic coal, not even gas or dust, but psuedo-something or other ... like sub-prime loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Novey&#8217;s article is right on, except for the premise that &#8216;some&#8217; civilizations disappear. They ALL do, some faster and more completely than others. The Nazca people (and neighbors) from drought and overpopulation, Romans by poisoning themselves, and so on. Even the Hittites lasted only a thousand years, versatile and dispersed as they were. Yet, Daniel is right, too. Our attitudes and &#8216;faith&#8217; often keeps us on the road of &#8216;whatever works&#8217; long after it has ceased working &#8211; life is complex and dangerous. None of us are going to get out of it alive, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we should not try our best for whatever follows us &#8230; cap and trade? Seems fitting that our last and only &#8216;export&#8217; should be toxic coal, not even gas or dust, but psuedo-something or other &#8230; like sub-prime loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Novey:

Interesting that you would bring up the disappearance of the Chavin culture.  I recently saw an action-packed documentary which went into this in great detail.  Apparently, the Chavin worshipped a group of technologically-superior aliens, who initially taught them how to farm and thrive in the area.  But the aliens depended on the crystal in their skulls for their life force.  Several of the aliens lost their heads and once the heads were dispersed, the aliens lost their power and the Chavin couldn&#039;t survive without their guidance . . .

On another note, I read a book once &quot;A Green History of the World,&quot; which talked a lot about the decline of the Roman Empire for environmental reasons.  That stuff&#039;s fascinating.  I personally think the U.S. is headed down this path at the moment, though on the upside, I&#039;d bet that the most likely accomplishment the next U.S. President will have (regardless of party), will be this &quot;cap &amp; trade&quot; system for curbing global warming emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Novey:</p>
<p>Interesting that you would bring up the disappearance of the Chavin culture.  I recently saw an action-packed documentary which went into this in great detail.  Apparently, the Chavin worshipped a group of technologically-superior aliens, who initially taught them how to farm and thrive in the area.  But the aliens depended on the crystal in their skulls for their life force.  Several of the aliens lost their heads and once the heads were dispersed, the aliens lost their power and the Chavin couldn&#8217;t survive without their guidance . . .</p>
<p>On another note, I read a book once &#8220;A Green History of the World,&#8221; which talked a lot about the decline of the Roman Empire for environmental reasons.  That stuff&#8217;s fascinating.  I personally think the U.S. is headed down this path at the moment, though on the upside, I&#8217;d bet that the most likely accomplishment the next U.S. President will have (regardless of party), will be this &#8220;cap &amp; trade&#8221; system for curbing global warming emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi Novey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levi Novey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, thanks for the tip. I will look for that article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, thanks for the tip. I will look for that article.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in &quot;The Collapse of Civilisation&quot;, an article in New Scientist (No 2650, 5 April 2008) - two good articles in there, with lots of resources, available online.

The basic idea is that as complexity increases, resilience decreases - thus leaving us vulnerable to many things; the main focus of the article is pandemic but I have been working on this re: environment and cities for some time.

It&#039;s also one of my bug-bears with many environmentalists; while the environment is increadibly important, it is part of a much wider picture. We should avoid getting too caught up in and noisy about minutiae (like CO2, or landfills) or people will just stop listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in &#8220;The Collapse of Civilisation&#8221;, an article in New Scientist (No 2650, 5 April 2008) &#8211; two good articles in there, with lots of resources, available online.</p>
<p>The basic idea is that as complexity increases, resilience decreases &#8211; thus leaving us vulnerable to many things; the main focus of the article is pandemic but I have been working on this re: environment and cities for some time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also one of my bug-bears with many environmentalists; while the environment is increadibly important, it is part of a much wider picture. We should avoid getting too caught up in and noisy about minutiae (like CO2, or landfills) or people will just stop listening.</p>
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