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		<title>By: GERI</title>
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		<dc:creator>GERI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO TURBINES IN FLORIDA HOW DISGRACEFUL, I&#039;VE LIVED IN THE FLORIDA KEYS FOR MANY MANY YEARS AND THERE IS A CONSTANT WIND THERE, I HAVE ALSO LIVED IN PALM BEACH COUNTY WHERE THERE IS ALSO WIND. ORIGINALLY FROM WISCONSIN, WHERE THERE ARE PLENTY OF WINDMILL TURBINES IN FARM FIELDS, NOW WHERE EXACTLY DOES ALL THAT WIND COME FROM. LISTENING TO THE OPPOSITION IS LIKE LISTENING TO THE OIL MEN WHO DON&#039;T WHAT TO LEVEY MORE TAXES ON THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY CAN&#039;T AFFORD IT. COME ON WAKE UP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO TURBINES IN FLORIDA HOW DISGRACEFUL, I&#8217;VE LIVED IN THE FLORIDA KEYS FOR MANY MANY YEARS AND THERE IS A CONSTANT WIND THERE, I HAVE ALSO LIVED IN PALM BEACH COUNTY WHERE THERE IS ALSO WIND. ORIGINALLY FROM WISCONSIN, WHERE THERE ARE PLENTY OF WINDMILL TURBINES IN FARM FIELDS, NOW WHERE EXACTLY DOES ALL THAT WIND COME FROM. LISTENING TO THE OPPOSITION IS LIKE LISTENING TO THE OIL MEN WHO DON&#8217;T WHAT TO LEVEY MORE TAXES ON THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY CAN&#8217;T AFFORD IT. COME ON WAKE UP</p>
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		<title>By: David Fiala</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/05/27/will-the-sunshine-state-become-a-major-source-of-wind-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-84364</link>
		<dc:creator>David Fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Low wind/small wind generators will work in Florida. These units can be sold for indiviual use as well as setting up small wind farms.  I represent Wind Manufactuer for USA, Canada, Mexcio, Latin America. any information as to whom I can contact at local and state level to understand the regulations would abe of great help. These units are set at 18 to 20 meters in the air, not much more than some trees.  These units can be placed and co-exist with all the other systems that are in the market place.  Any information that anyone can provide me on Florida Wind policy would abe of great help as in the rest of the USA Wind Generation is not an issue and welcomed.
thanks
sfico@sficopetro.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low wind/small wind generators will work in Florida. These units can be sold for indiviual use as well as setting up small wind farms.  I represent Wind Manufactuer for USA, Canada, Mexcio, Latin America. any information as to whom I can contact at local and state level to understand the regulations would abe of great help. These units are set at 18 to 20 meters in the air, not much more than some trees.  These units can be placed and co-exist with all the other systems that are in the market place.  Any information that anyone can provide me on Florida Wind policy would abe of great help as in the rest of the USA Wind Generation is not an issue and welcomed.<br />
thanks<br />
<a href="mailto:sfico@sficopetro.com">sfico@sficopetro.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Steinruck</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/05/27/will-the-sunshine-state-become-a-major-source-of-wind-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-50959</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Steinruck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of FPL&#039;s own word in a form required by the  the State of Florida


7. Given the substantial cost differential between wind and solar projects, why
hasn&#039;t the program favored the installation of wind energy projects as opposed to
solar?
&quot;The presumption that wind is less expensive than solar in Florida, may not necessarily be
the case, due to the need for the wind turbine Manufacturers to develop a wing turbine
generator that will withstand hurricane winds and as well as the corrosive saline coastline
environment. Typically the wind resource needed to build a wind power project requires
that the wind blow constantly at a minimum of 7.5 mls with a net capacity factor of at
least 38%. In Florida, offshore coastline wind resource is approximately 6.5 mls, and is
reduced on the coast and further reduced inland. The resulting net capacity factors off of
Florida&#039;s coast are most robust at approximatley 25% and reduced further on the coast to
below 19% and further reduced inland.
Solar installations have additional benefits for the Sunshine Energy program. First, solar
PV is essentially modular, starting at about 130 Watts per panel. These panels are
ganged to produce the size installation needed. Commercial wind turbines are basically
in the 1.5 MW size or larger at the present time.
Sunshine Energy provides 150 kW of PV installations for each 10,000 customers who
sign up. If commercial wind installations were used, we would need 100,000 customers
per wind turbine to achieve a similar ratio.
The smaller scale of the PV installations eases the process of acquiring and permitting a
site. Additionally, it enables the program to further encourage the general public&#039;s
knowledge and exposure to renewable energy by allowing a number of sites to be.
established throughout our service territory, reaching the widest possible audience with
an education about renewables.

8. Identify the specific Florida locations where FPL has previously attempted, or is
currently attempting, to site wind energy projects (provide reference documentation
substantiating all permitting denials).
Commissioned three wind studies of the State of Florida (i.e. Florida; SW FL; NE FL).

&quot;Lessons learned:
Overstated wind resource potential (echoes provide false wind resource
potential.
Wind resource limited to coastal area; wind resource declines significantly
inland.
Wind resource limited to winter season (October through March) whereas
FPL load peak is in the summer.&quot;

Even FPL doesn&#039;t really7 think wind will work in the Sunshine State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of FPL&#8217;s own word in a form required by the  the State of Florida</p>
<p>7. Given the substantial cost differential between wind and solar projects, why<br />
hasn&#8217;t the program favored the installation of wind energy projects as opposed to<br />
solar?<br />
&#8220;The presumption that wind is less expensive than solar in Florida, may not necessarily be<br />
the case, due to the need for the wind turbine Manufacturers to develop a wing turbine<br />
generator that will withstand hurricane winds and as well as the corrosive saline coastline<br />
environment. Typically the wind resource needed to build a wind power project requires<br />
that the wind blow constantly at a minimum of 7.5 mls with a net capacity factor of at<br />
least 38%. In Florida, offshore coastline wind resource is approximately 6.5 mls, and is<br />
reduced on the coast and further reduced inland. The resulting net capacity factors off of<br />
Florida&#8217;s coast are most robust at approximatley 25% and reduced further on the coast to<br />
below 19% and further reduced inland.<br />
Solar installations have additional benefits for the Sunshine Energy program. First, solar<br />
PV is essentially modular, starting at about 130 Watts per panel. These panels are<br />
ganged to produce the size installation needed. Commercial wind turbines are basically<br />
in the 1.5 MW size or larger at the present time.<br />
Sunshine Energy provides 150 kW of PV installations for each 10,000 customers who<br />
sign up. If commercial wind installations were used, we would need 100,000 customers<br />
per wind turbine to achieve a similar ratio.<br />
The smaller scale of the PV installations eases the process of acquiring and permitting a<br />
site. Additionally, it enables the program to further encourage the general public&#8217;s<br />
knowledge and exposure to renewable energy by allowing a number of sites to be.<br />
established throughout our service territory, reaching the widest possible audience with<br />
an education about renewables.</p>
<p>8. Identify the specific Florida locations where FPL has previously attempted, or is<br />
currently attempting, to site wind energy projects (provide reference documentation<br />
substantiating all permitting denials).<br />
Commissioned three wind studies of the State of Florida (i.e. Florida; SW FL; NE FL).</p>
<p>&#8220;Lessons learned:<br />
Overstated wind resource potential (echoes provide false wind resource<br />
potential.<br />
Wind resource limited to coastal area; wind resource declines significantly<br />
inland.<br />
Wind resource limited to winter season (October through March) whereas<br />
FPL load peak is in the summer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even FPL doesn&#8217;t really7 think wind will work in the Sunshine State.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Steinruck</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/05/27/will-the-sunshine-state-become-a-major-source-of-wind-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-50955</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Steinruck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beaches, where are your facts? oh that&#039;s right you either don&#039;t have any to support your position or you are so intellectually lazy that you can&#039;t be bothered to argue your point with anything more than name calling.

The proposed projects of which you speak are being considered mainly to appease the irrational Greenies and because of the incredible tax advantages that will pay for virtually the entire project. Even if the wind farm on Hutchinson Island never produces any useful amount of power FPL will come out ahead because they will be using tax and rate payer money.

It takes winds of at least 30mph to produce the rated power claimed by FPL. At 15mph a velocity much more common even on our beaches, when the wind blows at all, they produce 1/8 the rated power. Below 9mph they produce absolutely NOTHING. 
Florida is 48th out of the 50 States in wind resources. But of course someone with a superior mind like yours must have already known all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beaches, where are your facts? oh that&#8217;s right you either don&#8217;t have any to support your position or you are so intellectually lazy that you can&#8217;t be bothered to argue your point with anything more than name calling.</p>
<p>The proposed projects of which you speak are being considered mainly to appease the irrational Greenies and because of the incredible tax advantages that will pay for virtually the entire project. Even if the wind farm on Hutchinson Island never produces any useful amount of power FPL will come out ahead because they will be using tax and rate payer money.</p>
<p>It takes winds of at least 30mph to produce the rated power claimed by FPL. At 15mph a velocity much more common even on our beaches, when the wind blows at all, they produce 1/8 the rated power. Below 9mph they produce absolutely NOTHING.<br />
Florida is 48th out of the 50 States in wind resources. But of course someone with a superior mind like yours must have already known all that.</p>
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		<title>By: beaches</title>
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		<dc:creator>beaches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey stupid person #1 and #2... you both know nothing.  Wind is already happening... read the paper... there are several projects propsed right here in florida.  there is wind.  so do yourselves a favor and put your uneducated opinions to rest..before you embaress all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey stupid person #1 and #2&#8230; you both know nothing.  Wind is already happening&#8230; read the paper&#8230; there are several projects propsed right here in florida.  there is wind.  so do yourselves a favor and put your uneducated opinions to rest..before you embaress all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the founder of Skyecrafts solar store in Hudson, FL. We don&#039;t have any wind generators that will operate with the amount of wind we have in Florida. I am on the Gulf coast and we average 1-2 mph wind speed, sometimes we have gusts up to 11 on an average day but they are only gusts. Actually, it was hard to even keep up to 1 mph in my backyard. 
The smallest amount of wind needed for most wind generators I have seen was 4.5 mph and this is a new sphere design. We may have luck with VAWT wind generators which are a verticle design but nothing has come yet for us. 
The more blades, the more power, so we should look for a design like that however I think our strength in Florida is in solar. Now, how about a solar air conditioner? That would be great for us if one existed that worked in hot , humid climates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the founder of Skyecrafts solar store in Hudson, FL. We don&#8217;t have any wind generators that will operate with the amount of wind we have in Florida. I am on the Gulf coast and we average 1-2 mph wind speed, sometimes we have gusts up to 11 on an average day but they are only gusts. Actually, it was hard to even keep up to 1 mph in my backyard.<br />
The smallest amount of wind needed for most wind generators I have seen was 4.5 mph and this is a new sphere design. We may have luck with VAWT wind generators which are a verticle design but nothing has come yet for us.<br />
The more blades, the more power, so we should look for a design like that however I think our strength in Florida is in solar. Now, how about a solar air conditioner? That would be great for us if one existed that worked in hot , humid climates.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas  Steinruck</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/05/27/will-the-sunshine-state-become-a-major-source-of-wind-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas  Steinruck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow the author doen&#039;t have a clue!
It&#039;s windy in my backyard! OMG!
FPL said themselves there wasn&#039;t enough wind until they wanted to curry favor with Charlie Crist. 2 days AFTER they got shot down for the coal plant.

Below are some quotes of Commissioner Charles Grande from an email to
one of the Indian River Dr. Freeholders

&quot; FPL lost just about all of their credibility during the coal plant
fiasco and nobody in authority takes them at their word on anything
anymore. Moreover, during that same coal plant fiasco, FPL themselves
repeatedly told us that wind turbines would not work anywhere in
Florida, including our barrier islands. How foolish do they seem now
saying they can actually do it? FPL should be a dream opponent.&quot;

&quot;The opposition is championed by some real, credible people like
Kevin Stinnette, calling for all of the data to be thoroughly
analyzed and published in a full blown Environmental Impact Statement
before any commitments are actually considered. There is also a great
case to be made that public lands purchased for active or passive
recreation should not be used for other purposes. I think Doug Coward
is doing a great job making that point.&quot;

&quot;FPL tried to bamboozle us with a really bad coal based proposal.

- Other than a fairly good record with nukes, FPL has very little
credibility left locally.

- FPL is on record that wind energy is not workable in Florida.

- The change from Jeb to Charlie in Tallahassee has increased
subsidies to companies investing in renewables.

- After the coal plant fiasco, including a turndown by Tallahassee on
environmental grounds, FPL needs some green projects.

- FPL approached us, unsolicited, with a proposal for &quot;a couple&quot; of
windmills on their property on the Island.

&quot;If, as Adam, Julie and so many others believe, this too is a bad
proposal by FPL, I am confident it will not be approved.&quot;



Chris Craft, formerly one of the leading proponents, has come out completely AGAINST turbines in this county because he has become infinitely more knowledgeable about the subject. He now understands that this is a FALSE GREEN project that will hurt the environment of St. Lucie County far more than it will help the area or the world. He now understands that this is an ENRON devised scam to avoid taxes and will only produce a trickle of undependable, un-needed electricity at a huge cost. He gets it; anyone who doesn’t at this point hasn’t been paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow the author doen&#8217;t have a clue!<br />
It&#8217;s windy in my backyard! OMG!<br />
FPL said themselves there wasn&#8217;t enough wind until they wanted to curry favor with Charlie Crist. 2 days AFTER they got shot down for the coal plant.</p>
<p>Below are some quotes of Commissioner Charles Grande from an email to<br />
one of the Indian River Dr. Freeholders</p>
<p>&#8221; FPL lost just about all of their credibility during the coal plant<br />
fiasco and nobody in authority takes them at their word on anything<br />
anymore. Moreover, during that same coal plant fiasco, FPL themselves<br />
repeatedly told us that wind turbines would not work anywhere in<br />
Florida, including our barrier islands. How foolish do they seem now<br />
saying they can actually do it? FPL should be a dream opponent.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The opposition is championed by some real, credible people like<br />
Kevin Stinnette, calling for all of the data to be thoroughly<br />
analyzed and published in a full blown Environmental Impact Statement<br />
before any commitments are actually considered. There is also a great<br />
case to be made that public lands purchased for active or passive<br />
recreation should not be used for other purposes. I think Doug Coward<br />
is doing a great job making that point.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;FPL tried to bamboozle us with a really bad coal based proposal.</p>
<p>- Other than a fairly good record with nukes, FPL has very little<br />
credibility left locally.</p>
<p>- FPL is on record that wind energy is not workable in Florida.</p>
<p>- The change from Jeb to Charlie in Tallahassee has increased<br />
subsidies to companies investing in renewables.</p>
<p>- After the coal plant fiasco, including a turndown by Tallahassee on<br />
environmental grounds, FPL needs some green projects.</p>
<p>- FPL approached us, unsolicited, with a proposal for &#8220;a couple&#8221; of<br />
windmills on their property on the Island.</p>
<p>&#8220;If, as Adam, Julie and so many others believe, this too is a bad<br />
proposal by FPL, I am confident it will not be approved.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chris Craft, formerly one of the leading proponents, has come out completely AGAINST turbines in this county because he has become infinitely more knowledgeable about the subject. He now understands that this is a FALSE GREEN project that will hurt the environment of St. Lucie County far more than it will help the area or the world. He now understands that this is an ENRON devised scam to avoid taxes and will only produce a trickle of undependable, un-needed electricity at a huge cost. He gets it; anyone who doesn’t at this point hasn’t been paying attention.</p>
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