Comments on: How to Save Gas in 10 Seconds… Or Go To Jail http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/ News & commentary on sustainability, activism, urban planning, politics, and our world. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:54:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Junky http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-118282 Junky Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:17:17 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-118282 btw, injectors are electrically triggered, once you shut off the key, they stop dispensing gas so there's NO waste being "dumped" while the engine spins down. I know it's been 2 years since his post, just bugged me... btw, injectors are electrically triggered, once you shut off the key, they stop dispensing gas so there’s NO waste being “dumped” while the engine spins down.

I know it’s been 2 years since his post, just bugged me…

]]> By: Junky http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-113288 Junky Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:40:20 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-113288 Wow, Rittinhouse, you pulled that "dump and estimated .2 gal of fuel with just 5 stop and starts" out and didn't even check it before you posted it. Think about it. 0.2 gallons is 25.6 ounces... 5 stops... that's 5.12 ounces dumped per stop. Yeah, those numbers look right...of course, I've never heard of a vehicle exploding from the gas being dumped into a hot exhaust system (or did you forget that catalytic converters are hot enough to ignite any fumes that may be "dumped"?). Wow, Rittinhouse, you pulled that “dump and estimated .2 gal of fuel with just 5 stop and starts” out and didn’t even check it before you posted it.

Think about it. 0.2 gallons is 25.6 ounces… 5 stops… that’s 5.12 ounces dumped per stop.

Yeah, those numbers look right…of course, I’ve never heard of a vehicle exploding from the gas being dumped into a hot exhaust system (or did you forget that catalytic converters are hot enough to ignite any fumes that may be “dumped”?).

]]> By: Deepti http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54239 Deepti Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:16:26 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54239 Any updates or conclusions on this matter? Had no idea about the legal ramifications of idling. Interesting. Any updates or conclusions on this matter? Had no idea about the legal ramifications of idling. Interesting.

]]> By: Bruce http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54231 Bruce Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:10:22 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54231 In terms of idling time... Back in the late 70's and early 80's there was talk about all the idling time for the diesels and the huge expenditure of fuel while drivers were letting their trucks idle. There was a product that came out called an "idle timer". It limited a truck's idling time to 5 minutes, this allowed the engine to go thru a cooling off period and then shut down. It saved countless gallons of diesel fuel. Here is what I am doing ... 4 our future, I am starting my own business promoting and distributing a tested, proven product that saves .35 per gallon, lowers emissions and increases performance. It works so well, one can also switch from using premium fuel to using regular fuel, that is an additional .10 - .30 per gallon savings on top of the increased MPG savings. The bottom line: 98-99% of the vehicles using my product will receive a savings of $2.00 - $3.00 for each $1.00 of my product they use. I am looking to expand this business, and need a few serious people to join me. If you know of someone who wants to own their own business, promoting a one of a kind product that is new to the USA and Canada, then contact me. Timing is critical in my opinion, 4 our future. Go to my website, click on "Join Free NOW" to lock in your spot. Then do your homework, watch our movie, read about our just completed 2 year study on a California government fleet, and make up your mind if this business is for you. No Cost..No Obligation. Can you make money with a product that costs $20.00 and gives savings of $40.00 - $60.00? Serious? Call me with your questions. My phone number is listed on my website, (about me button). www.MaxMyMileage.com In terms of idling time…
Back in the late 70′s and early 80′s there was talk about all the idling time for the diesels and the huge expenditure of fuel while drivers were letting their trucks idle.
There was a product that came out called an “idle timer”.
It limited a truck’s idling time to 5 minutes, this allowed the engine to go thru a cooling off period and then shut down. It saved countless gallons of diesel fuel.

Here is what I am doing …
4 our future, I am starting my own business promoting and distributing a tested, proven product that saves .35 per gallon, lowers emissions and increases performance.

It works so well, one can also switch from using premium fuel to using regular fuel, that is an additional .10 – .30 per gallon savings on top of the increased MPG savings.

The bottom line: 98-99% of the vehicles using my product will receive a savings of $2.00 – $3.00 for each $1.00 of my product they use.

I am looking to expand this business, and need a few serious people to join me.

If you know of someone who wants to own their own business, promoting a one of a kind product that is
new to the USA and Canada, then contact me.
Timing is critical in my opinion, 4 our future.

Go to my website,
click on “Join Free NOW” to lock in your spot.
Then do your homework, watch our movie, read about our just completed 2 year study on a California government fleet, and make up your mind if this business is for you.
No Cost..No Obligation.

Can you make money with a product that costs $20.00
and gives savings of $40.00 – $60.00?

Serious? Call me with your questions.
My phone number is listed on my website, (about me button).

http://www.MaxMyMileage.com

]]> By: Gavin Hudson http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54233 Gavin Hudson Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:44:38 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54233 J Rittenhouse, Thanks for contributing your experience and knowledge. I'll continue to read up on more of the details. Interesting that everything I've found has given 10 seconds as a rule of thumb (even Car Talk, if I remember correctly) and that legally in lots of places, cars aren't supposed to idle for more than 3-5 minutes. Definitely a subject worth more checking in to. Thanks again! :) J Rittenhouse,

Thanks for contributing your experience and knowledge. I’ll continue to read up on more of the details. Interesting that everything I’ve found has given 10 seconds as a rule of thumb (even Car Talk, if I remember correctly) and that legally in lots of places, cars aren’t supposed to idle for more than 3-5 minutes. Definitely a subject worth more checking in to.

Thanks again! :)

]]> By: J Rittenhouse http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54232 J Rittenhouse Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:38:16 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54232 Gavin, I am afraid that Joe is correct. Turning a fuel injected electronic ignition controled vehicle off and then back on forces unignited fuel in vaporived form out the exhaust upon start up. Not a lot but if you were commuting in a metro area you would be dumping a significant amount each trip. I have 15 years experience in the gas and diesel marine engines most of which are based on automotive platforms. Huge a tree and let it idle... more damage is done to the engine with short duration runs. There is almost no research on just how much fuel is dumped upon each start up... but you could calculate how many rpms are turned before the engine starts... and then figure out the number of ignitions should have accured... based on the volume of fuel dispenced on each pulse of the injectors this could be multipled by those cycles before the engine comes to life... pretty simple calculation... a 5.0 liter V8 would dump and estimated .2 gal of fuel with just 5 stop and starts... that just cost $.75 more per day and excessive wear on the engine further shortening the life of the vehicle... if you want to jump on someone case... it should be that of longhaul trucking idling overnight at truck stops... or rail ways that leave their locomotives idling for hours on end... or the public transit buses how clain to be eco friendly... implying that the emmisiions have been reduced... but the reduction is so small and only repeatable in a lab and not real world conditions... sort of like the Prius which claims 50+ MPG but only achieves upper 30s sometimes low 40s in the REAL world... Gavin, I am afraid that Joe is correct. Turning a fuel injected electronic ignition controled vehicle off and then back on forces unignited fuel in vaporived form out the exhaust upon start up. Not a lot but if you were commuting in a metro area you would be dumping a significant amount each trip. I have 15 years experience in the gas and diesel marine engines most of which are based on automotive platforms. Huge a tree and let it idle… more damage is done to the engine with short duration runs. There is almost no research on just how much fuel is dumped upon each start up… but you could calculate how many rpms are turned before the engine starts… and then figure out the number of ignitions should have accured… based on the volume of fuel dispenced on each pulse of the injectors this could be multipled by those cycles before the engine comes to life… pretty simple calculation… a 5.0 liter V8 would dump and estimated .2 gal of fuel with just 5 stop and starts… that just cost $.75 more per day and excessive wear on the engine further shortening the life of the vehicle… if you want to jump on someone case… it should be that of longhaul trucking idling overnight at truck stops… or rail ways that leave their locomotives idling for hours on end… or the public transit buses how clain to be eco friendly… implying that the emmisiions have been reduced… but the reduction is so small and only repeatable in a lab and not real world conditions… sort of like the Prius which claims 50+ MPG but only achieves upper 30s sometimes low 40s in the REAL world…

]]> By: Gavin Hudson http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54238 Gavin Hudson Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:16:35 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54238 Hi Joe, I'm happy to see your comment with some discussion. I'd be very interested to see any articles that support the idea that leaving your car on for five minute uses less gas than turning it off and on. All of the sources I have tell me that with modern cars, the tipping point for efficiency is 10 seconds. If you're waiting longer than 10 seconds, it's more gas friendly to turn the engine off and back on. For instance, please see the links included in the Resources section of this post, right above the comments. Hi Joe,

I’m happy to see your comment with some discussion. I’d be very interested to see any articles that support the idea that leaving your car on for five minute uses less gas than turning it off and on.

All of the sources I have tell me that with modern cars, the tipping point for efficiency is 10 seconds. If you’re waiting longer than 10 seconds, it’s more gas friendly to turn the engine off and back on. For instance, please see the links included in the Resources section of this post, right above the comments.

]]> By: Mark http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54234 Mark Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:58:35 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54234 In Switzerland only the first three cars in line may idle at traffic lights - other cars must switch off. I also know of complaints from neighbours for idling while clearing snow in the morning.. In Switzerland only the first three cars in line may idle at traffic lights – other cars must switch off. I also know of complaints from neighbours for idling while clearing snow in the morning..

]]> By: joe http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54235 joe Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:49:07 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54235 What are you talking about man? Leaving your car idling for 5 mins or less burns a lot less gas than turning it off and then on. It requires a lot of fuel to start the engine than to just run it. What are you talking about man? Leaving your car idling for 5 mins or less burns a lot less gas than turning it off and then on. It requires a lot of fuel to start the engine than to just run it.

]]> By: Uncle B http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-54236 Uncle B Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:30:58 +0000 http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/19/how-you-can-save-gas-in-10-seconds-and-where-youll-go-to-jail-if-you-dont/#comment-54236 Electric cars don't idle! One more battery breakthrough and we won't have the idle problem anymore! Electric cars don’t idle! One more battery breakthrough and we won’t have the idle problem anymore!

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