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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think that is bad:-

I was stuck on a broken down train with no aircon, food or water for three hours... then after getting of the train I had to sit at Bournemouth train station for an hour and a half, stand on a packed train(four trains worth of rush hour traffic)for another hour, followed by an hour a half sat at Winchester train station before finally getting on another packed train which went to london, then a forty minute trip on the tube, after which I had to get a train to Birmingham New street, change at BNS (12.30 am) and finally get a train to Stafford...

Took me 11 hours when it should have taken three and at the time I was 15 and on my way home on my own, which aint good when you have to go through london and BNS late at night..</description>
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<p>I was stuck on a broken down train with no aircon, food or water for three hours&#8230; then after getting of the train I had to sit at Bournemouth train station for an hour and a half, stand on a packed train(four trains worth of rush hour traffic)for another hour, followed by an hour a half sat at Winchester train station before finally getting on another packed train which went to london, then a forty minute trip on the tube, after which I had to get a train to Birmingham New street, change at BNS (12.30 am) and finally get a train to Stafford&#8230;</p>
<p>Took me 11 hours when it should have taken three and at the time I was 15 and on my way home on my own, which aint good when you have to go through london and BNS late at night..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Seall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Thanks for reading so closely. I should point out that I’m not an American, but a fellow Briton. However I have been living in mainland Europe for the past 10 years. I might have been colorful in some of my descriptions and some details of the actual experiences may be hazy in my mind, but I can assure you that there is little undue exaggeration.

Just to clarify and respond to your points:

The £92 was indeed for a pre-9am departure. It is much cheaper if you travel later in the day. The 10.42 example (it might have been 10.25 – all I remember is 10 something) example was actually from a separate journey. I did sacrifice some accuracy for the sake of the narrative.

To be very honest I forget the exact prices for different combinations of time of departure, single, return, super-saver, cheap day return, etc etc. What I did conclude is that the fare structures are ridiculously complex and there do seem to be cases where one might qualify for a vastly reduced fare by making slight alterations to plans, or as in my case, by buying a discount return fare which as I recall was cheaper than the standard single fare (for which no discount option was available).

Perhaps you might also be interested in my take on bus services by way of comparison: http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/03/british-busses-actually-worse-than-british-trains/

Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading so closely. I should point out that I’m not an American, but a fellow Briton. However I have been living in mainland Europe for the past 10 years. I might have been colorful in some of my descriptions and some details of the actual experiences may be hazy in my mind, but I can assure you that there is little undue exaggeration.</p>
<p>Just to clarify and respond to your points:</p>
<p>The £92 was indeed for a pre-9am departure. It is much cheaper if you travel later in the day. The 10.42 example (it might have been 10.25 – all I remember is 10 something) example was actually from a separate journey. I did sacrifice some accuracy for the sake of the narrative.</p>
<p>To be very honest I forget the exact prices for different combinations of time of departure, single, return, super-saver, cheap day return, etc etc. What I did conclude is that the fare structures are ridiculously complex and there do seem to be cases where one might qualify for a vastly reduced fare by making slight alterations to plans, or as in my case, by buying a discount return fare which as I recall was cheaper than the standard single fare (for which no discount option was available).</p>
<p>Perhaps you might also be interested in my take on bus services by way of comparison: <a href="http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/03/british-busses-actually-worse-than-british-trains/" rel="nofollow">http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/04/03/british-busses-actually-worse-than-british-trains/</a></p>
<p>Mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I enjoyed your article and agree with you that trains in England are both expensive and rubbish, I think there is a lot of &quot;typical American exaggeration&quot; in it!

I live in Coventry and commute every day from Coventry station to Birmingham, and have done the shockingly expensive Coventry-London trip on occasion. You say you paid £92 for a single at 10:42? Either a blatant lie or a shocking mistake, I&#039;m afraid! It may be £92 before 09:30, but after that time you wouldn&#039;t pay more than £40.

Secondly, you were misled - two singles may be cheaper than a return, but a return cannot be cheaper than 1 single.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I enjoyed your article and agree with you that trains in England are both expensive and rubbish, I think there is a lot of &#8220;typical American exaggeration&#8221; in it!</p>
<p>I live in Coventry and commute every day from Coventry station to Birmingham, and have done the shockingly expensive Coventry-London trip on occasion. You say you paid £92 for a single at 10:42? Either a blatant lie or a shocking mistake, I&#8217;m afraid! It may be £92 before 09:30, but after that time you wouldn&#8217;t pay more than £40.</p>
<p>Secondly, you were misled &#8211; two singles may be cheaper than a return, but a return cannot be cheaper than 1 single.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Railway Friendly Country In The World Is&#8230; : EcoWorldly</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/03/11/britain-my-worst-rail-experiences-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-55390</link>
		<dc:creator>The Most Railway Friendly Country In The World Is&#8230; : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this post? Subscribe to our RSS feed and stay up to date. Last week I wrote about the lamentable state of British rail services, pointing out that railways in general will need to raise their game if they are to encourage [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this post? Subscribe to our RSS feed and stay up to date. Last week I wrote about the lamentable state of British rail services, pointing out that railways in general will need to raise their game if they are to encourage [...]</p>
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		<title>By: British Busses: Actually Worse Than British Trains? : EcoWorldly</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/03/11/britain-my-worst-rail-experiences-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-55391</link>
		<dc:creator>British Busses: Actually Worse Than British Trains? : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Britain, which struck much more of a chord. Having recently written here about the woeful state of British rail transportation, I thought it might be appropriate to continue Pem’s theme and recount my experience of bus [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TalkClimateChange - &#187; Public Transportation Funding, continued..</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/03/11/britain-my-worst-rail-experiences-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-55382</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkClimateChange - &#187; Public Transportation Funding, continued..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week I wrote of the need to invest tax revenues from motorists into the poor public transport infrastructure which exists in many countries today - an issue set to become a critical developmental factor as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An amusing piece of writing, if only it was not true.  I am taking a train in the South West next month from Dorchester to Bristol and am considering having a course of phsycological therapy first or at least a large glass of red wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An amusing piece of writing, if only it was not true.  I am taking a train in the South West next month from Dorchester to Bristol and am considering having a course of phsycological therapy first or at least a large glass of red wine.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Railway Friendly Country In The World Is&#8230; : EcoWorldly</title>
		<link>http://ecolocalizer.com/2008/03/11/britain-my-worst-rail-experiences-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-55385</link>
		<dc:creator>The Most Railway Friendly Country In The World Is&#8230; : EcoWorldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week I wrote about the lamentable state of British rail services, pointing out that railways in general will need to raise their game if they are to encourage [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was contemplating a trek accross South America as an experience of a lifetime, but perhaps a trip from Lands End to the tip of Scotland via Wales would be as challenging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was contemplating a trek accross South America as an experience of a lifetime, but perhaps a trip from Lands End to the tip of Scotland via Wales would be as challenging!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every word is true, believe me, I live in the UK and would only submit myself to public transport under severe duress.
Just one (there are some many to choose from) little anecdote; I use Richmond station from time to time. Richmond is a charming well heeled town about 5 miles from central London. I needed to use the toilet on the platform. I walked into something that you would be forbidden to keep animals in. It was filthy. There was a pile of blown litter under the sinks (there was no door to protect it from the elements). It smelled horrible. On the wall was a notice which said (and I kid you not), &quot;These toilets are inspected regularly. If you discover any defects, please report them to the Station Manager&quot;.
Mr Station Manager, if you need me to tell you, you&#039;ve got a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every word is true, believe me, I live in the UK and would only submit myself to public transport under severe duress.<br />
Just one (there are some many to choose from) little anecdote; I use Richmond station from time to time. Richmond is a charming well heeled town about 5 miles from central London. I needed to use the toilet on the platform. I walked into something that you would be forbidden to keep animals in. It was filthy. There was a pile of blown litter under the sinks (there was no door to protect it from the elements). It smelled horrible. On the wall was a notice which said (and I kid you not), &#8220;These toilets are inspected regularly. If you discover any defects, please report them to the Station Manager&#8221;.<br />
Mr Station Manager, if you need me to tell you, you&#8217;ve got a problem.</p>
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